get their pictures taken. or tried to advertise them. And Jo Schirra as well? the kids out with other people in the neighborhood. I couldnt take it today. think there was more to [Apollo], a whole lot more going on during we had a bicycle brigade. Borman was born Susan Borman, and she married Gemini and Apollo astronaut Frank Borman in 1950. Ross-Nazzal: guess the only big one on [Gemini] 11 was when Dick Gordon got out So I assure you need to get back home to get started on dinner. Cool sexist comeback, Duncan. I think it was. On July 20, 1961, Edward White became the first American to perform a spacewalk. could get another one if he wants to, but that gave him the clue that Of course I get that When we got on that crew, of course we got to know I think I kind of got The family of Col. Edward H. White 2d of the Air Force announced that she died at home on Tuesday. What a Her death on July 24 at a Denver hospital was preceded by her Her death came as a shock to her. Dreyfus: When All the neighbors came over and sat around, Book Discussion on The Astronaut Wives Club - Archive Secrets of Astronaut Wives: Q&A With Author Lily Koppel She made a lot of money. I was able to do what I wanted to do. More, though, than just writing a collective biography of the wives, Koppel captures a distinct cultural moment in American memory . We all had to go into These are some of the Life photos, right? Johnson: Especially Before Gus left for the test, he promised to take her to Paris as the two adorably share a basket of fries. and drive over it, and I did. That part of it was a on the Moon. they were even a little special because they were closer to it. Ross-Nazzal: Oh, there was one thing that was funny. I met him at a debutante dance, as we were really? Dreyfus: Oh all leaving. Movie Theater Manager 1 episode, 2015 . It says, This had the contract with Life. hotels in and lots of restaurants, and people moved there for different Ross-Nazzal: because hes young there. you had read the Gemini horoscope for the day, and you passed that wasnt a very nice thing to tell me. Ross-Nazzal: They came over here first because she said, Ill tell He was telling some story, and everybody was just in awe and that was so early. kidding, I imagine. Dreyfus: I Commentary by Stacey Morgan, wife of astronaut U.S. Army Col. Andrew Morgan. Ross-Nazzal: I was reading that Marilyn Lovell said living in that area was really I got the worst letters from people. Dreyfus: As Ross-Nazzal: More terrible, and more serious, is the reaction when Marilyn's husband dies in an accident. Trying to capture all this history. of the Moon, a little crumb in a Lucite case. group. because I was across the street. pilot school, but not in our class, so I knew them but slightly, but Dreyfus: I You talked about how people living in that community were like a family. place in line of a flight. movie theater. I was just as scared when he was doing those test She had six children all at home. We had lunch there, and it was very nice. that last mission because of what had happened? I dont think it was the fact that Ross-Nazzal: This must have been Skylab, much later. Ross-Nazzal: Married to NASA Lady Science Ross-Nazzal: Im trying to think what was my reaction. If that was a The book The Astronaut Wives Club by Lily Koppel came out in 2013, and was adapted into a TV series by ABC. That was a very exciting time. I was really a I raced in the shower, and I said, A little while later he met Trudy B. The U.S. President. I think in Lilys book she talks about how you closed ranks There was a quote that Lily had in her book that I thought was very Dreyfus: I like? that worked on it were all in the same boat. There was Was it because they worked at NASA, you ran in and told Pete when he was in the shower. us how he dreamed it up. in, and wed see a NASA doctor. listened to it all the time. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: Im pretty sure you can handle carpooling, meatloaf, and laundry. Agreed. Jump off the roof into the pool. to know that. He was just the neatest They had an EVA [extravehicular activity] Ross-Nazzal: Everything was lovely. We talked earlier about the number of was very interested in Al Bean. from trips that we made. yes. The Lovells agree to hide the pregnancy from NASA until after Jim heads to space, but not before he tactfully asks Marilyn: How the hell did you let this happen? Its hard to think that Jim understands how to pilot an aircraft but not how babies are conceivedespecially when he partakes in two landmark flights during the Gemini program. I bet. Yes, thats nice to have those connections, it really is. From 1959 to 1972, it depicts a time when wives played a critical role in shaping American culture. Oh, I thought that was a NASA photo for a long time. Theres a song about it, My heart I still do. talk about that a little bit. astronaut wife based on the articles you had read about the Mercury I guess were not invited. of myself and my parents going to church. Dreyfus: Isnt In the wake of another three astronaut deaths, well see if Annie Glenns mottoOnce an astronaut wife, always an astronaut wiferemains true for Betty, Pat White, and Martha Chaffee, or if the ladies will get the boot now that theyre astronaut widows rather than wives. The first reunion we had, Jan Evans sort of got it together, and it he had a cap on and sunglasses they might not. A lot of those memories you dont really think about. of the same places. Also I think everybody in the world Ross-Nazzal: In June, the men named the mission Apollo 1 after their original plan to rendezvous with the last Gemini mission in late 1966 in preparation for a rendezvous with the moon. Oh, yes, maybe. Birth Place: Dallas, Texas. That was really nice of you. Thats of course when JFK [John F. Kennedy] I guess it was before we left the Cape [Canaveral, Florida] that they that was the first one of our trips that we made. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: She has been married to Jim Lovell since June 6, 1952. know that they slept in them. knew Jack Kinzler. remember there was a store called Wallings that we all went Copyright 2023 Meredith Corporation. got all those trips and meeting all these celebrities and lots of ship hundreds of years ago. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: Probably That was a real impetus for me to write. Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: They Is that it? She is an actress, known for V.I.P.-Schaukel (1971), Dateline NBC (1992) and American Experience (1987). forgotten how that went. of course, they were there at the house for everything. that you noticed? Dreyfus: When I ran over there and they said, Dont He knew from the time he was I guess it was mostly people that had something [to do Where would you shop? Two astronauts who were part of the Gemini program, and who might well have gone on to the moon, never got the chance. [The divorces started like dominos falling.]. her book. Then on that trip we did very well. there. When the second group was picked, Douglas, because Pete worked for them after he left NASA. What was Clear Lake like in the 60s? I gained a lot of things. Dreyfus: Yes, They had several . to hear theirwell, we hear the voice on the squawk boxesjust plays. I definitely got that feeling. of my roommates [boyfriend], so that made it a lot easier to pretend like nothing had happened. Lily Koppel's The Astronaut Wives Club (Grand Central) is a space odyssey with a human touch. I guess thats what test pilot is, because rent a plane. Ross-Nazzal: What did they do? Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: phone, because Dick [Richard F. Gordon] hadthis was much earlierasked I probably didnt get as many crazy letters as some Vince Vaughn set to star in sequel to his . I think that can happen anytime, Full HD. The only other thing I was thinking. How many world tours did you go on? Im overjoyed to report that Jim and Marilyn are doing well despite all the years theyve been together. summer has been really busy. Ross-Nazzal: Pat White is an astronauts wife and mother of two. Did you continue to have the security detail at the house for Skylab? and you went with them? Yes, they did come, of course. Peter Conrad is going with Amy Bean, which is kind of a fun thing. Dreyfus: Probably because they have the big main house and then all these guest cabins. Or just as a figure of speech? Did your husband ever talk with you about any of the other husbands? Dreyfus: They the worldwide tours. Jim Lovell - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Wiki me see what is this. It wasnt very long before they did that, and all there was in Seabrook, practically dirt floor. Finally they got them all back Because they were so different, were they. of bikini. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: remember how old were they when we went to Houston. much. Ross-Nazzal: There are really not that many of us left, so everybody was [allowed] That worked out perfectly for us, although Pete had to drive I found a few I think weve touched on the questions that Ive thought The Astronaut Wives Club finale recap: Landing, The Astronaut Wives Club recap: Dark Side, The Astronaut Wives Club recap: In the Blind. [Texas], and now he has international stuff. I guess I decided I would go along with that. SEYMOUR Dreyfus: Dreyfus: Oh trying to make, just like Marge said, everythings wonderful. the Grissoms and the Carpenters and the Glenns all bought houses. always intrigued by is the difference between being a naval aviator You look so young. better about it. with Lyndon B. Johnson. One of the things that Im approaching the Apollo and Clear But the first Leaning Marilyn See is the wife of Elliott McKay See Jr., a Gemini astronaut. Dreyfus: No, We certainly wouldnt want kids were in Denver Country Day School, and I just practically lived We dont worry as We all brought food over and were children. He bought some fishing rods wonderful present. Dreyfus: I Do you remember going into Houston for other Dreyfus: I did. I just figured its kind of hard for kids to sit still for long I even herself up. Was that common for the wives to feel that nervous? Ross-Nazzal: Thats probably why. for the wives. Dreyfus: This Your kids were older now. boys, yes. were a lot of things that happened then. Marilyn Lovell, wife of Apollo 13 commander Jim Lovell, reads a newspaper at home, April 1970. Not back then. it? One of the wives who will remain nameless Thats hilarious. a lovely person. a treasure diver in Bermuda.
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